@openrisk

How about this architecture:

On the client:
- dweb serve: a local web server that has a web API which can be accessed by local browser apps, and any desktop or local client that wants to access...
- #Autonomi - a p2p decentralised storage system that keeps data after a one off payment (no ongoing fees, expiring domains or websites).

dweb is also a client, so 'dweb open <ADDRESS-OR-NAME>' opens a decentralised app or website in your browser from Autonomi via the dweb server.

@neil
There is an alternative: peer-to-peer service on a fully autonomous network...

@Natanox #Autonomi will do this much more easily and do away with pinning at the same time. I'm working on basic apps for it including web publishing and viewing. The network and API are still unstable but coming together.

@strypey

That's not fundamental to #p2p it's an application layer issue and something which is for example, easily done using #Autonomi.

In fact using n-of-m encryption is arguably the best way to do this, so server based systems do not enable it to be done better, but potentially worse.

@strypey
Centralisation is like corrosion, only in cases like this it starts out pretending to be varnish.

We've been here so many times before.

Soon there will be much better alternatives, such as #Autonomi where you log into a #p2p network and all apps know is that it is the same anonymous ID, and you can make as many as you like, with no central register, gatekeepers, servers to hack etc.

@wchr You are probably the most informed person I know on these topics, so your perspective is particularly interesting to me. In this instance both thought provoking and and perplexing.

Things tend to cycles, waves, etc. but we tend not to think like that.

Some are building the next thing while all seems lost in the current thing.

#Autonomi.

@strypey

For integrity with bells on look at #Autonomi. Support and build on the secure, decentralised internet and undo the enclosure and abuse that is blighting everyone's life.

@RTP won't ever happen with #Autonomi #p2p

Come and try it with my son to be published web publisher/browser demo.

@hyde many here are saying people don't care but I don't think that's true. Look deeper.

They resist for many reasons and some are obvious. I've seen reports that most users of Facebook for example wish it didn't invade their privacy but what alternatives do they have and at what cost?

They know that acting on that desire is much harder than succumbing, so they resist in various ways.

I'm hopeful we can change this. It will never be easy but it can be done over time.

I hope #Autonomi helps.

@cuchaz
I mostly use #Brave now (with the shit turned off) because #Firefox was degrading in performance and stability, and became unusable on my cheap mobile. For now that's ok.

That #Mozilla are doing this is very sad. I am though hopeful better days are coming, with new ecosystems based on #p2p that will bypass the enclosure and unleash the next generation of openeness & creativity.

I'm literally working on a demo to publish and browse websites on #Autonomi, so it's not just work thinking.

@aral
Yes, ads themselves are toxic, drive toxic business models and toxic products, partly through centralising power, and of course by hiding better products and undermining trusted networks (eg person-to-person).

Aral, do you recall me urging you to look at Safe Network a few years ago because of these issues, to bring your UX ideas?

I know you have your own approach as well but hope that now it is happening it will be interesting to you - recently renamed #Autonomi

@johnlynch @onepict

@collinsworth
Yes, and there will be examples of exactly this, scaling without infrastructure costs - so a single part time person can create an app that scales world wide without spending a cent on hosting.

#Autonomi is a secure, privacy focused platform that will change the rules, expectations and possibilities in favour of developers and users.

@HedgiePT
There are quite a few p2p projects but most aren't capable enough IMO. The one which ticks most boxes for me is #Autonomi. I'm working on a demo app for it. It is due to launch in October but people are able to play with the early beta.

Are you a developer or interested as a user, or?
@fabio