Every year they made two public lists. The 25 most powerful people were on one list, the 25 richest on the other. Some were on both lists. If you land on one of those lists, you have seven years. Seven years after your appearance on the list, they take everything from you, and place you in a serviced home, where you can live out the rest of your life peacefully.
For the first 10 years these lists were made of 100 people.
The world was a lot more peaceful since then.
And....why did they start punishing people who did nothing wrong?
@AlexanderKingsbury
1. Where is something written about punishment?
2. Isn't it wrong to concentrate power or money in your hands?
3. Who is they?
1. "take everything from you". Clearly and obviously a punishment.
2. No.
3. The people who decided to enact and enforce this system. Who said to themselves "Oh, we'll elect a president. An then, a few years later, take everything from them and imprison them for the crime of getting elected".
1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Interesting Interpretation. Not what I intended, but you do you. I think, you have a rather dystopian interpretation of life. Have fun with that :)
1. Yes, it's a punishment. Whether you like it or not.
2. Obviously not. Otherwise, it would be wrong to simply walk along a path and pick up a shell; you pick it up because you value it, and are therefore concentrating wealth in yourself.
3. You can "intend" whatever you want; doesn't change the outcome. Do you imagine that the president wouldn't be on this list of 25 most powerful people? Obama was in office for 8 years; you'd have imprisoned him while he was still president!
1. That's your interpretation. I have another one. Whether you like it or not.
2. You know I was talking about concentrating immense wealth or power. That was a cheap trick you tried there. Why?
3. I wrote a little micro fiction*. You interpreted it, and somehow you seem to feel threatened by it. Why?
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*It is fiction, so maybe it is 1000 years in the future. Or on another planet. Or in another dimension. Or a different timeline. Or maybe everyone is Obama?
1. So, to you, taking all someone's wealth and imprisoning them is NOT a punishment. Got it.
2. I took you at your word. Move the goalposts if you want.
3. It's hardly "threatening"; that implies this would ever happen, which it won't. I just find it interesting that people fantasize so much about hurting people who never did anything wrong.
We obviously have differences on the question "What is wrong?". I totally find it wrong to amass wealth or power with some individuals. We got rid of monarchy in some systems based on that believe. And I **never** wrote anything about beheading or imprisonment or even punishment.
My fiction gave them a peaceful life. If you find peaceful to be a punishment, then in my eyes that is a problem.
What would your utopian fiction look like?
Beheading? Seems an odd thing to bring into the conversation. Of course your brought up imprisonment; "place you in a serviced home". Calling a prison something else doesn't change what it is. The life inside that prison may be "peaceful"; it's still a prison, and I doubt you can "peacefully" force people to stay, or "peacefully" take everything from them.
I have no interest in "Utopia". The original conception of Utopia included slavery, which is morally abhorrent.
@AlexanderKingsbury
As you show absolutely no interest in comprehending even the tiniest points even when I pointed them out repeatedly there is no value in discussing with you. :(
Your interpretation is not what was said or meant by my fictional story (as I repeteadly tried to convey). But lets consider it art and you can interpret however you want and keep that for yourself.
Have a good year and maybe some better outlook on life, because yours seems depressing (my interpretation).
Bye. :)
Yes, again, I understand that you don't regard it as a punishment to imprison people. Not sure what your "interpretation" of imprisonment is, but that's what seems depressing here.
@JohnnyThan …and philanthropy suddenly skyrocketed.
@JohnnyThan
I'd guess, in recognition that grew wealth and power normally accumulate at the expense of and to the detriment of the societies that provide the basis of that wealth and power.
@mansr Thanks for the link. Very interesting.
There are differences*: I believe randomness is one difference, it's not a lottery. Also who will be given a peaceful life will be some form of "elite". They can still travel around so it is not seen as a prison or punishment.
*I only read the summary from Wikipedia which is not a good base for making these arguments. :)
@JohnnyThan It's not the same, but I was reminded of the story.
@JohnnyThan Love this :3
Except… def would wanna chat about what “most powerful” means in this context, esp how “powerful” would manifest too given this microfic’s society
What would qualify for the “most powerful” category?
Call my bias, but some of the most truly powerful people in my lived experience
Are the ones who are really good at communicating and building liberation for all >:3
(Would assume ones who’ve amassed access to institutional power, wealth definitely, but also potentially folx who have via likely cultic means amassed folx’s willingness to act for the one’s desires and wishes, aka authoritarian power
Def another I’m thinking of is the serial power abusers, more immediately the well known serial abusers and rapists, for instance, mfers who willfully wield the power from intimate connection of many forms to extract from others against their will + real harm to being also against their will [def my anarchafeminist influences speaking there])
@thedandeliongrove You have a lot of very nice questions in there. In my story the lists are not there to solve everything, but to give a general feeling of staying in wealth and power is only good for a certain amount of time.
Sometimes a general theme like that can change stuff in other areas, but I guess there would still be a lot of other stuff not right. But would it help with diminishing patriarchy? I believe so, big time.
Thanks for reading and commenting :)